{"id":820,"date":"2025-11-08T20:41:16","date_gmt":"2025-11-08T20:41:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/connectingconcepts.com\/?page_id=820"},"modified":"2025-12-02T13:17:59","modified_gmt":"2025-12-02T13:17:59","slug":"episode-7-what-is-involved-in-the-solution","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/connectingconcepts.com\/nl\/podcast-watts-to-add-power-off-the-grid\/episode-7-wat-komt-er-kijken-bij-de-oplossing\/","title":{"rendered":"Episode 7 What is involved in the solution | Podcast Watts to ADD &#8211; Power off the Grid"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-page\" data-elementor-id=\"820\" class=\"elementor elementor-820\" data-elementor-post-type=\"page\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2cdb1d1d e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"2cdb1d1d\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4020af73 e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"4020af73\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-330e5644 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"330e5644\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Oplossingen voor netcongestie in Nederland \u2013 en de rest van de wereld<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-67e1482b elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"67e1482b\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h1 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Watts to ADD<\/h1>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-1ec92d3 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"1ec92d3\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Episode 7 - 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Elke aflevering verbindt idee\u00ebn uit het <a href=\"https:\/\/amsteldiscoverydistrict.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Amstel Discovery District<\/a> en daarbuiten \u2014 waar innovatie, duurzaamheid en creativiteit nieuwe manieren aanwakkeren om te wonen, werken en floreren. Sluit je aan terwijl we ons afvragen: wat komt er daarna? en voeg nieuwe energie toe aan het gesprek.<\/em><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-85d1661 elementor-widget elementor-widget-html\" data-id=\"85d1661\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"html.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<iframe data-testid=\"embed-iframe\" style=\"border-radius:12px\" src=\"about:blank\" width=\"100%\" height=\"352\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"\" allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/26RBgEZEgM8jyg5ZlKE6Nt?utm_source=generator\"><\/iframe>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-de81981 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"de81981\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p data-start=\"0\" data-end=\"68\"><strong data-start=\"3\" data-end=\"66\">Episode 7: Wat komt er kijken bij de oplossing \u2013 Watts to ADD | Power off the Grid [Dutch]<\/strong><\/p><p data-start=\"423\" data-end=\"969\" class=\"translation-block\">In deze aflevering van <b>Watts to ADD<\/b> kijken Guusje en Dirk-Jan naar de praktijk: wat komt er allemaal kijken bij het realiseren van hun gasgedreven energieoplossing? Ze bespreken hoe zonnepanelen, warmtebuffers, gasgeneratoren en batterijsystemen met elkaar moeten samenwerken \u2014 en welke technische, ontwerp- en co\u00f6rdinatie-uitdagingen dat met zich meebrengt. Van complexe installaties en herontwerpen tot effici\u00ebntie en controle: innovatie in energie draait niet alleen om idee\u00ebn, maar om integratie.<\/p><p data-start=\"971\" data-end=\"1236\"><strong data-start=\"971\" data-end=\"984\">Themes:<\/strong><br data-start=\"984\" data-end=\"987\" \/>#WattsToADD #EnergieIntegratie #Innovatie #CleanTech #Energietransitie #Netcongestie #Duurzaamheid #NederlandEnergie #SlimmeInfrastructuur #Klimaattransitie #Vastgoedontwikkeling #AmstelDiscoveryDistrict #Amsterdam #ToekomstVanEnergie #Systeemdenken<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-fb3ed4d elementor-widget elementor-widget-n-accordion\" data-id=\"fb3ed4d\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-settings=\"{&quot;default_state&quot;:&quot;expanded&quot;,&quot;max_items_expended&quot;:&quot;one&quot;,&quot;n_accordion_animation_duration&quot;:{&quot;unit&quot;:&quot;ms&quot;,&quot;size&quot;:400,&quot;sizes&quot;:[]}}\" data-widget_type=\"nested-accordion.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-n-accordion\" aria-label=\"Accordion. 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In de vorige aflevering zijn we dieper ingegaan op het duurzaamheidsaspecten en in deze aflevering gaan we praktisch kijken wat er allemaal komt kijken bij deze GAS oplossing. Eerst en vooral welke onderdelen moeten er precies samenwerken om voor deze oplossing te gaan?<\/span><\/p><p><b>Dirk-Jan Houben: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bij ons is het zo ingeregeld dat niks moet samenwerken. Alles kan op zichzelf werken, alleen het is niet effici\u00ebnt en daar hebben wij ook expliciet naar gekeken van hoe kun je nou zorgen dat je die effici\u00ebntieslag maakt? Je bent niet op het net aangesloten. Doodzonde als de elektriciteit die de zonnepanelen opwekken in de zomer nergens naartoe kunnen. Gewoon verloren gaan. En het is ook zonde als je nu eenmaal een oplossing hebt in de vorm van gas generatoren, dat die warmte die daarbij vrijkomt ook verloren gaat en nergens naartoe gaat. Dus wij hebben gezegd eigenlijk moet je zorgen dat al die installaties samenwerken voor een effici\u00ebntieslag. Dus het moet niet, Maar het zorgt er wel voor dat dadelijk alles goedkoper is, er niks verloren gaat.<\/span><\/p><p><b>G: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">En hoe regel je dan zo'n complex systeem technisch gezien?<\/span><\/p><p><b>DJ: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Technisch gezien wordt het heel complex. Ik denk zelfs te complex voor mij. Maar in de basis komt het erop neer dus dat je met een elektriciteits hub zit. De batterijen zitten een ketel en een warmte hub. Dat moet je je voorstellen als een soort zwembad waar je warmte in opslaat in de zomer die je in de winter gebruikt kan worden. Zorg dat alles daarop integraal samenkomt, wijk samenkomt en vanuit daar kun je dat weer. Dan op het moment dat er een tekort is, vanuit dat punt weer leveren naar de gebruiker die het nodig heeft.<\/span><\/p><p><b>G: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">En is dit dan duurder of juist effici\u00ebnter dan de gewone oplossing van stroom af te nemen?<\/span><\/p><p><b>DJ: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Nee, dat is een stuk duurder. Daarom denk ik ook dat het niet zomaar altijd een oplossing is om. Wij zitten natuurlijk in Amsterdam. Daar liggen de prijzen in de regel gewoon wat hoger. En daarom kan dit. Maar het is echt een stuk duurder qua je. Zowel qua investering vooraf. Want anders hoef je alleen maar een kabeltje te leggen als in gebruik, want je bent afhankelijk van de grillen van de gasprijs. En ik denk er wel over geschreven te hebben, maar dat het voor de warmte wel goedkoper is per definitie, want die WKO is nu eenmaal niet WKO en het feit dat je het effici\u00ebnter maakt maakt goedkoper.<\/span><\/p><p><b>G: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ja, en welke partijen moeten hiervoor allemaal samenwerken?<\/span><\/p><p><b>DJ: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ja, leuke vraag. Ik had als podcast twee weken geleden hadden opgenomen had ik gezegd je hebt een technisch installateur nodig. Je hebt iemand nodig die weet van elektriciteit, iemand die je nodig, die weet van het gas verhaal en iemand die het WK verhaal exploiteert. Toeval is dat we nu tegen partij zijn aangelopen en ik zal geen reclame maken, maar die het allemaal kan. Dat is wel heel prettig, want dat betekent ook dat we het een beetje uit handen kunnen gaan geven en die worden dan ook verantwoordelijk voor het integraal samenwerken van al die installaties. Ja, maar die partij is natuurlijk ook niet stil. Dit is van origine een energieleverancier en je ziet ook dat dit een probleem is. En die heeft gewoon gezegd we gaan dit soort dingen allemaal oppakken, want dan kunnen we ook die oplossing faciliteren. Slim? Ja, heel slim.<\/span><\/p><p><b>G: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">En hoe ziet dit er nou uit in de praktijk als leek? Wat kun je je hierbij voorstellen?<\/span><\/p><p><b>DJ: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ik denk werkelijk helemaal niks. Het is zo complex met alles wat samenwerkt en je kunt natuurlijk iets voorstellen bij zonnepanelen en een zwembad en een gasgenerator. Maar hoe dit echt met elkaar samenwerkt? Over een gebied met zes grote gebouwen die tot waarvan de hoogste tot zeventig meter de lucht in gaat en hoe dat dan die energie faciliteert? Ik denk dat je dat alleen kan begrijpen als je het ziet. Ja.<\/span><\/p><p><b>G: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">En wat is hierbij dan eigenlijk de grootste technische uitdaging?<\/span><\/p><p><b>DJ: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Dat alles samenwerkt? Dat je zeker weet dat die warmte van die gas generatoren ook werkelijk gebruikt kunnen worden voor die WKO. Dat is, dat is denk ik alles uit alle complexen.<\/span><\/p><p><b>G: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">En moet er veel aangepast worden aan de bestaande bouwplannen.<\/span><\/p><p><b>DJ: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Alles mag opnieuw. Dat komt ook door onze duurzaamheidseisen. Die hebben ervoor gezorgd dat ook daar bepaalde dingen gewoon niet meer kunnen of een of ander optimum hebben. En dit zorgt ervoor dat ook weer extra ruimte gerealiseerd moet worden in de kelder op andere verdiepingen. Dat je met andere dingen rekening moet gaan houden. Hoe ze samen gaan werken. Nee, alles kan opnieuw. Ja.<\/span><\/p><p><b>G: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Zal het effectieve bouwen juist juist sneller of trager gaan? Door deze nieuwe aanpak?<\/span><\/p><p><b>DJ: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ja, ik denk dat het niet zoveel uitmaakt. Het belangrijkste is dat je het vooraf goed integraal ontwerpt. Dat kost je misschien wel iets extra. Dan hebben we het niet over weken. Maar als je het ontwerp meteen vooraf goed doet. Degene die de gasinstallatie komt aanleggen. Dat is niet dezelfde partij als de WKO. Dus die kunnen gewoon naast elkaar die dingen gaan regelen. En die tijd had je dan toch al nodig gehad. Dus er is dan gewoon iemand in een ruimte aan het werk die anders niet in de ruimte was geweest. Dus ik denk dat als je ontwerpfase misschien een klein beetje vertraging, maar verder verwacht ik eigenlijk weinig vertraging. Wat dat betreft misschien in de controle nog. Dan heb je het ook over dagen. Niet over weken.<\/span><\/p><p><b>G: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">En hoe ziet de tijdslijn eruit? Vanaf dit punt?<\/span><\/p><p><b>DJ: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Wij zijn nu bezig met het maken van een nieuw ontwerp voor de parkeerkelder. Dus op basis van bepaalde keuzes die we hebben moeten maken, zowel voor congestie als voor duurzaamheid, als wel de ontwikkeling van de woningen die die over twee jaar ook echt gebouwd gaan worden. En als dat klaar is, dan gaan we beginnen met het bouwen van de parkeerkelder. Of in ieder geval een deel daarvan. En dan ga je een bouwproces in van een jaar. Voor die kelder alleen al. En gedurende die periode ga je ook ontwerpbeslissingen maken voor de kantoren erboven.<\/span><\/p><p><b>G: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">En hoe hou je als team grip op zo'n complexe puzzel?<\/span><\/p><p><b>DJ: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Daarvoor hebben wij dus een partij in de hand genomen die ons controleert. Te bewijzen eigenlijk. Dus ik denk inderdaad dat dat die grip ingewikkeld is. Zeker omdat er constant verschillende belangen zijn. En daarom is het inhuren van een partij die dat overkoepelende verhaal bewaakt denk ik wel heel belangrijk. Ja.<\/span><\/p><p><b>G: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Nou, super interessant. Eh, we zijn er dieper op ingegaan. Uhm wat er allemaal komt kijken bij deze oplossing? 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